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TWiV: JMS and Joe Q (7 comments)

TWiV: JMS and Joe Q

Sunday, January 13, 2008 - 11:55 PM

Taking stock of super-villains


Usually, when I review a comic in this space, I like to focus on the bad guys. After all, when you do a comic about a corporation that’s run for super-villains by super-villains, it’s kind expected.

So, I’d like to take a crack at Spider-Man: One More Day from the perspective of the villains.

Mephisto? Nah…

Writer J. Michael Straczynski and Marvel editor-in-chief Joe Quesada.

OK, so we know that this wasn’t the ending that JMS originally wanted to write, but nonetheless, he did -– at Joe Q’s behest – and now comics fans are in an uproar.

But I’m here to tell you that – as always – the villains had the right idea.

This wipes out several years of Spider-Man history, resets Peter’s timeline to before his marriage to M.J., and brings back many of the core cast from the old days of the Spider-Man mythos. And it’s all done with a magical sweep of the hand. Poof! We’ve been retconned again.

Maybe that’s where we should start… retcons. We all hate them, right? How many of them have we suffered through? We’ve seen it happen to Captain America, Jean Grey, Joker, Batman – heck the entire D.C. universe. We’ve seen origins tinkered with and re-explained and re-re-explained.

But let’s face it, you have to be able to roll with a retcon here or there if you’re gonna be a comics fan.

Why?

Well, let’s get back to Spidey. He got bit by that radioactive spider in 1962. That makes him about 46 by now. It gets worse for characters like Batman and Superman. Those characters have been retconned several times over before many of you even started reading comics. And you know what...?

You probably read comics because of the retcons that made it possible for you to jump aboard.

Retcons make it possible for comics publishers to continue to draw in younger readers, and we want them to do that, because if they don’t, they get stagnant and die. Would you like to see what happens to comics that don’t make some changes to appeal to a new generation of readers? Pick up a newspaper. (Chances are, if you do, it will be the first time you’ve done so in years.) Take a look at the comics in there. I’ll ruin it for you. Garfield still hates Mondays and loves lasagna, Dagwood’s eating a big sandwich, and Leroy Lockhorn is saying something incredibly cruel to his wife, Loretta. Comfortable? You bet. Great comics? Not for decades.

And “Spider-Man OMD” was comics at its best. When was the last time you felt a lump in your throat when you were reading Spider-Man? When was the last time you felt tears well up in your eyes?

This was story-telling at its absolute apex. It was complex and painful and difficult to process and… and…

And it was everything that we tell our friends they’re missing by not reading comics.

Did it end the way I wanted it to end? Heck no. I’m still a little grief-stricken by the whole thing. I so very much yearned for something – anything – that would allow Our Hero to find a way to come out on top in his deal with the devil.

But he didn’t.

And, despite the lump in my throat, deep down, I’m happy that he didn’t.

Let’s face it, nobody wants to see Romeo and Juliet lying lifeless on the stage at the end of their tale of woe. But, a good playwright – and a good comicwright – knows when the time is right to deny us what we want and give us, instead, what we need.

So, JMS and Joe Q get the villain community’s highest rating – a VQ of 10 – for being the best kind of villains of all – the kind that do what they do because they know it’s the right thing to do.

-- Brad Guigar


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Wheezy
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Re: TWiV: JMS and Joe Q (Score: 1)
posted Monday, January 14, 2008 - 03:44 AM (#40195)

I absolutely agree. Like most Spidey fans, I think I was a bit taken aback by the entire situation - especially considering the controversy that surrounded the issue. But when I read that last OMG comic, it affected me on a pretty deep emotional level. And that's what it's all about. Am I extremely happy about the way things all played out? Not particularly. Do I like the fact that Marvel is explaining all the collateral (Osborn's alive, back to mechanical web slinging, Civil War public appearance didn't happen) by saying "Mephisto did it. It's Magic, no need to explain." Not at all. But I'm excited about Spidey again in a way I haven't really been since before the whole clone debacle. So I'll let the details slide.

~Dan
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Silvanus
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Re: TWiV: JMS and Joe Q (Score: 1)
posted Monday, January 14, 2008 - 09:22 AM (#40198)

First I will agree that Quesada deserves his VQ rating of 10. The man has been growing steadily more evil for a long time.

But that’s all I agree with. The OMD storyline was absolute crud. I have been a Spidey fan from when I first started reading comic books way back when. I grew up reading his stories and enjoying his witty combat style and his struggles balancing a superhero life, career and marriage.

When I read that book I did not feel a lump in my throat, I felt revulsion.
My eyes did not tear up, but my vision did turn red with rage.

Almost 30 years of stories have now been put into question as to if any of it happened. And that makes me feel cheated of my life long fan hood.

I read comic books for a reason. To escape, to have fun…to come back to heroes that save the day…not heroes that make a deal with the devil. If I wanted gritty and no win situations I would have never picked up a Spider-Man book in the first place. There are other comic books for that.

I want a fun time, I want a hero that saves the day and comes home to a loving wife. (If you want a younger Spider-Man without a wife go read Ultimate Spider-man for crying out loud)

Joe Quesada decided that I can’t have that anymore.

You know what I say to that? $%&# you Quesada. As soon as I finished that issue of Spider-man I made the decision to drop all Marvel books from my pull list at the comic shop. Instead I will look at some of the independent stuff, explore any other titles not done by Marvel. Or just sit back and enjoy my online comics Like Evil Inc. Who without fail always manages to bring a smile to my face.


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TalonInTx
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Re: TWiV: JMS and Joe Q (Score: 1)
posted Monday, January 14, 2008 - 02:07 PM (#40202)

Pffft. There was no tear in my eye or lump in my throat. The only thing going through my head after finishing the story was, "man, that was stupid."

Frankly, if I showed non-comic book readers this story I don't think they'd react with a positive reaction either.

OMD just seemed to be another story where the characters are forced into decisions that go against their established personalities. I mean seriously, do you honestly think Peter Parker would make a deal with Mephisto? Seriously?

I'm a bitter comic book fan. ;)


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tentagil
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Re: TWiV: JMS and Joe Q (Score: 1)
posted Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 12:11 AM (#40231)

My problem with the story isn't that they did a retcon, its how they did the retcon.

It makes no sense. So no one remembers who Spiderman really is and May is healed, that I can handle, thats a simple thing that doesn't really screw things up to much. Everybody forgets and some evidence gets destroyed with a sweep of Mephisto's hand.

But thats not all that happened. Suddenly people who have been dead for years are back to life. Suddenly powers that Spiderman has had for a few years no longer exist. Suddenly his entire history has been wiped clean. Which means that this retcon goes beyond Spiderman. Its a retcon for the whole Marvel Universe. Because essentially anything he's been involved with in the past 30 years has changed.

Retcons aren't a bad thing in and of themseleves. When you have characters that have been fighting it out for decades you have to update on occasion. But if your going to do it you have to do it in a way that makes sense. This doesn't. Has JMS said in his post. Magic isn't a get out of free no explanation needed thing.

Rather then tears and sadness this story jsut brought annoyance and disgust.


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Paul_in_NJ
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Re: TWiV: JMS and Joe Q (Score: 1)
posted Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - 06:18 PM (#40247)

I've been apart from the Marvel Universe since the mid-1980s, and having just dipped a toe back in, a lot of this is news to me ('the end of mechanical web-slinging'?), so I guess I'm one of the target group for this retcon.

But gol-day-um, this is one big retcon. To build on what tentagil pointed out, does this mean Spidey won't interact with the Marvel universe of today, since he's back to his pre-MJ days? Or will different Spidey titles exist in different timelines? (I lost track of how many there are years back.)

DC used to pull a dirty trick back in the day: they'd change Superman's universe ('retcon' wasn't a word then) in some very significant way -- like, he married Lana Lang -- and then at the end of the book it'd turn out to be an alternate universe, or a Kandorian version of Supes, or some other impossibly unsatisfying twist. I wonder if we'll get something like that down the road?


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Kyle_Voltti
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Re: TWiV: JMS and Joe Q (Score: 1)
posted Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 02:56 AM (#40272)

OMD was garbage and BND is more of the same. I feel bad for the new creative team because they will most likely be tarred with this. Somewhere the people who came up with the Clone Saga are grinning knowing that they no longer hold the title as the people who messed up the most on Spiderman.


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Silvanus
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Re: TWiV: JMS and Joe Q (Score: 1)
posted Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 09:25 AM (#40276)
In Response to Kyle_Voltti (#40272):

They were still talking about this train wreck at the Comic book shop last night. Seems like nobody is happy with it. I won't buy another Spider-man comic until they undo this.

I dropped Spidey from my pull list with a heavy heart, but I did pick up a couple of Image comics and added All Star Batman and robin to the list. No reason the comic shop should suffer just because Marvel has decided to screw with the fans.

In a bit of an odd twist my wife and I were at dinner celebrating our anniversary at a very nice restaurant. As we were leaving we overheard the two couples at the table next to us discussing the whole OMD thing! The surprising thing is that both couples were in their mid 50’s to 60’s. Totally took us by surprise.


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